2:52 a.m.
Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
in emacspeak?
Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing "_" to be
said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power of" which
is useful
however these are relatively minor changes.
Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
create it?
Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
mode would be extremely helpful.
--
Best regards Isaac
7:30 p.m.
On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
<emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
in emacspeak?
Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing "_" to be
said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power of" which
is useful
however these are relatively minor changes.
Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
create it?
Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
mode would be extremely helpful.
--
Best regards Isaac
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7:37 p.m.
John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
<emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>
> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
> in emacspeak?
> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing "_" to
be
> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power of"
which is useful
> however these are relatively minor changes.
> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>
> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
> create it?
> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
> mode would be extremely helpful.
> --
> Best regards Isaac
> _______________________________________________
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3 a.m.
This looks okay although it looks like its pretty much a one shot
process like an audiobook rather then a navigable document, is this
correct?
Would it be possible to make this work on the fly? So generating and
reading the mathimatics while jumping around a LaTeX document?
For the specific mode idea I've made some much better pronounciation
substatutions now, heres my current pronounciation dictionary config for
org-mode:
(emacspeak-pronounce-set-dictionary 'org-mode
'(("\\cdot" . " dot ") ("\\sqrt" . " square
root")("\\gamma" . " gamma") ("^2" . " squared
") ("{AB}" . "{A B}") ("_a" . " sub ay ")
("\\mod" . " modulo ") ("$" . "") ("_" .
" sub ") ("^" . " to the power of ") ("{". "
start ") ("}" . " end ")))
I've been using org-mode instead of raw latex as it is able to strip a lot
of the unneeded formatting tags.
The current issues with just using the pronounciation dictionary for
this is that I can't specify environments within a buffer that it should
apply to.
For example reading a code snippet in an src block should not have these
pronounciations.
It also only lets me work with regexp as far as I know so I can't match
pronounciations for opening and closing braces.
I might see if I can make something work with switching out
pronounciations on the fly depending on where in the buffer I am though.
"T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
>> <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>>
>> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
>> in emacspeak?
>> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing "_"
to be
>> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power
of" which is useful
>> however these are relatively minor changes.
>> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
>> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
>> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>>
>> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
>> create it?
>> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
>> mode would be extremely helpful.
>> --
>> Best regards Isaac
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
> _______________________________________________
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3:26 a.m.
I tried using emacspeak-maths but it doesn't seem to do anything.
I ran npm install and was able to get the server running with the
emacspeak-maths-enter command then enabled the
emacspeak-maths-spken-mode but it didn't seem to do anything other then
change the major mode, it didn't speak anything differently.
I tried some other fiddling around with the different emacspeak-math
commands but could get nothing to happen.
I'm on macOS 11.6 with a 2017 macbook pro.
"T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
>> <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>>
>> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
>> in emacspeak?
>> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing "_"
to be
>> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power
of" which is useful
>> however these are relatively minor changes.
>> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
>> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
>> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>>
>> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
>> create it?
>> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
>> mode would be extremely helpful.
>> --
>> Best regards Isaac
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
> _______________________________________________
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--
Best regards Isaac
5:03 a.m.
I've not made any progress with emacspeak-maths however I have made some large
improvements with my custom anounciations for latex in org-mode.
It can read fractions reasonably well, most simpler integrals, nd aa bunch of symbols will
be read neater without \ being anounced everywhere.
Here's a link to a github version of it.
https://github.com/Isaac-Leonard/emacs-config/blob/main/pronounciations.el
Is there a way to slow speach down in parts of phrases via the announce functionality?
And would it be doable to provide pronounciations for different environments in the same
document?
Isaac Leonard <isaac.m.j.s.leonard(a)gmail.com> writes:
I tried using emacspeak-maths but it doesn't seem to do
anything.
I ran npm install and was able to get the server running with the
emacspeak-maths-enter command then enabled the
emacspeak-maths-spken-mode but it didn't seem to do anything other then
change the major mode, it didn't speak anything differently.
I tried some other fiddling around with the different emacspeak-math
commands but could get nothing to happen.
I'm on macOS 11.6 with a 2017 macbook pro.
"T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
> John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
>
> See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
> LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
>
>
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
>>> <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>>>
>>> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
>>> in emacspeak?
>>> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing
"_" to be
>>> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power
of" which is useful
>>> however these are relatively minor changes.
>>> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
>>> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
>>> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>>>
>>> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
>>> create it?
>>> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
>>> mode would be extremely helpful.
>>> --
>>> Best regards Isaac
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
--
Best regards Isaac
2:38 p.m.
Read the documentation for module emacspeak-maths and the
maths-navigator defined in emacspeak-muggles if you wish to use module
emacspeak-maths and the SRE.
String substitution via pronunciation dictionaries to read math will not
scale or work --- for the record,, before I wrote AsTeR, I actually
built a sed script that tried to do something similar, see the paper
TeXTalk from October 1990 -- published in the TeX Users Group
Newsletter.
Ram91: T. V. Raman. TeXTALK . TUGboat, 12:178, March 1991.
The follow-up was AsTeR whose initial design is described in
https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb13-3/raman.pdf
with some background on why string substitution wont scale.
Isaac Leonard <isaac.m.j.s.leonard(a)gmail.com> writes:
I've not made any progress with emacspeak-maths however I have
made some large improvements with my custom anounciations for latex in org-mode.
It can read fractions reasonably well, most simpler integrals, nd aa bunch of symbols
will be read neater without \ being anounced everywhere.
Here's a link to a github version of it.
https://github.com/Isaac-Leonard/emacs-config/blob/main/pronounciations.el
Is there a way to slow speach down in parts of phrases via the announce functionality?
And would it be doable to provide pronounciations for different environments in the same
document?
Isaac Leonard <isaac.m.j.s.leonard(a)gmail.com> writes:
> I tried using emacspeak-maths but it doesn't seem to do anything.
> I ran npm install and was able to get the server running with the
> emacspeak-maths-enter command then enabled the
> emacspeak-maths-spken-mode but it didn't seem to do anything other then
> change the major mode, it didn't speak anything differently.
> I tried some other fiddling around with the different emacspeak-math
> commands but could get nothing to happen.
> I'm on macOS 11.6 with a 2017 macbook pro.
> "T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
>
>> John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
>>
>> See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
>> LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
>>
>>
>>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
>>>> <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex / mathimatics
>>>> in emacspeak?
>>>> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing
"_" to be
>>>> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the power
of" which is useful
>>>> however these are relatively minor changes.
>>>> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
>>>> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
>>>> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>>>>
>>>> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me to
>>>> create it?
>>>> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but such a
>>>> mode would be extremely helpful.
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards Isaac
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
--
Thanks,
--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♈ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
4:23 p.m.
Can I confirm that emacspeak-maths requires the hydra package to be installed then or
either I define my own key maps for each navigation action?
When It comes to string substitution I agree it won't work long term cause regexp
doesn't work for properly parsing latex, its turing complete god damn it.
Good enough works for me for now though I think.
If I'm dealing with multiple layers of nesting I'm probably going to want to look
at it in depth anyway I'd imagine.
I' m wondering if some sort of push down automata version of regexp could be used to
parse the most common expressions although that feels like it would be a lot of work.
Continuing further beyond simple substitutions probably doesn't make sence until I get
emacspeak-maths working though.
Also would it be possible to flatten out the structure of the documentation?
I searched for a while and eventually ended up just reading the source code of
emacspeak-math to understand that I needed to run npm install and stuff and yet I've
still not got it working properly.
Currently the documentation puts a large amount of focus on installing and then seems to
put the actual functionality under multiple levels of nested menus which makes finding
things difficult
There's also a good chance I've just missed something obvious though
""T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
Read the documentation for module emacspeak-maths and the
maths-navigator defined in emacspeak-muggles if you wish to use module
emacspeak-maths and the SRE.
String substitution via pronunciation dictionaries to read math will not
scale or work --- for the record,, before I wrote AsTeR, I actually
built a sed script that tried to do something similar, see the paper
TeXTalk from October 1990 -- published in the TeX Users Group
Newsletter.
Ram91: T. V. Raman. TeXTALK . TUGboat, 12:178, March 1991.
The follow-up was AsTeR whose initial design is described in
https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb13-3/raman.pdf
with some background on why string substitution wont scale.
Isaac Leonard <isaac.m.j.s.leonard(a)gmail.com> writes:
> I've not made any progress with emacspeak-maths however I have made
> some large improvements with my custom anounciations for latex in
> org-mode.
> It can read fractions reasonably well, most simpler integrals, nd aa
> bunch of symbols will be read neater without \ being anounced
> everywhere.
> Here's a link to a github version of it.
> https://github.com/Isaac-Leonard/emacs-config/blob/main/pronounciations.el
> Is there a way to slow speach down in parts of phrases via the
> announce functionality?
> And would it be doable to provide pronounciations for different
> environments in the same document?
> Isaac Leonard <isaac.m.j.s.leonard(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I tried using emacspeak-maths but it doesn't seem to do anything.
>> I ran npm install and was able to get the server running with the
>> emacspeak-maths-enter command then enabled the
>> emacspeak-maths-spken-mode but it didn't seem to do anything other then
>> change the major mode, it didn't speak anything differently.
>> I tried some other fiddling around with the different emacspeak-math
>> commands but could get nothing to happen.
>> I'm on macOS 11.6 with a 2017 macbook pro.
>> "T.V Raman" <raman(a)google.com> writes:
>>
>>> John Morgan via Emacspeak <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> writes:
>>>
>>> See module emacspeak-maths -- it uses Volker Sorge's SRE to render
>>> LaTeX math -- consider it a poor-man's AsTeR.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:52 AM, Isaac Leonard via Emacspeak
>>>>> <emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cs.cornell.edu/info/people/raman/aster/demo.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have specific configurations for reading latex /
mathimatics
>>>>> in emacspeak?
>>>>> Currently I've redifined some pronounciations such as changing
"_" to be
>>>>> said as "sub" or "^" to be said as "to the
power of" which is useful
>>>>> however these are relatively minor changes.
>>>>> Does anyone know if theres a way to slow the speaking rate down when
>>>>> reading math between dollar signs or even better if there is some
>>>>> specific mode for reading mathimatics like mathML in browsers?
>>>>>
>>>>> If this mode does not exist would anyone be willing to work with me
to
>>>>> create it?
>>>>> Currently I don't really know where to start to be honest but
such a
>>>>> mode would be extremely helpful.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards Isaac
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Emacspeak mailing list -- emacspeak(a)emacspeak.org
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to emacspeak-leave(a)emacspeak.org
--
Best regards Isaac
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